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One of the priests in the Zeitoun Church made a simple comparison between Fatima and Zeitoun and said that the appearance of the Virgin in Zeitoun did not feature any speech, so that people would not believe it was specific to the Coptic Orthodox Church, but instead for all

https://youtu.be/QkVwz5zxTjo?si=mrUDySdzrjlcd2Ww (23:30)

Bearing in mind that some bishops of the Church have previously declared that the Virgin did not truly appear except in Egypt, indicating the correctness of our Church specifically. And when a book containing non-Orthodox apparitions, such as Fatima and Lourdes, was presented to the Patriarch of the Church, he objected that the book includes non-Orthodox miracles, and one cannot guarantee their authenticity

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I heavily disagree. I think those marian apparitions easily prove the veracity of the coptic orthodox church.

First of all, she appeared on top of the coptic orthodox church buildings. I don't think there has ever been any apparition outside the coptic orthodox church in which Mary appeared on top of. For me, it seems very weird that Mary would appear on top of a religious building that's construed as heretical. Just from the mere fact of her appearing on top of the church building I think seems to be approval of the teachings that church building upholds. It doesn't make sense that Mary would appear on top of a mosque where everyone would go there and take her blessings. Likewise, it doesn't make sense that Mary would appear on top of an arian church for people to get blessings from her giving the impression to the gatherers of her approval of that church. In the same logic, it wouldn't make sense for Mary to appear on top of the coptic church (that from the catholic perspective teaches heretical teachings like monophysitism). Now if you want to argue that the coptic church is a sister church to the catholic church and not necessarily heretical then that would be a doctrinal development from the catholic church that strays away from what the Church Fathers in the early church clearly taught, which alone by itself disprove the truthfulness of the catholic church. The mere fact that she appeared on top of the coptic church has to at least make the coptic church a true church among many (if that's what you believe which again I think is not the teaching of the early church) and from that perspective why don't you just then become coptic orthodox out of pascale's wager as the coptic church does not teach that the catholic church is the true church or has salvation (even though some catholics can attain grace and salvation through invincible ignorance) or that there exists sister churches outside of the Oriental Orthodox communion.

Second of all, there is a catholic church a couple of blocks away from the coptic church, in which Mary appeared on top of in Zeitoun. Many coptic theologians meditated on this fact as to why if the catholic church is the true church didn't she appear on top of the catholic church in zeitoun just a couple of blocks away from the coptic church building she appeared on top of? The same people from all different faiths who visited the coptic church in zeitoun when Mary appeared on top of it would have been the same exact people (copts, catholics, protestants, muslims, atheists, etc.) that would have visited the catholic church just down the road. Not even once in those three years did she appear on top of the catholic church that's very close to the coptic church in zeitoun. I think that deserves for us to take a pause and wonder why that's the case. Seems to vindicate coptic orthodoxy here.

Finally, some would argue that the Fatima apparition cuts the other way. If Rome is the true church, and the copts are in error, then surely it would be more important for Mary to speak to the copts and encourage them to submit to the Roman Pontiff? The Catholics already have the right theology, so why take the time to affirm it? It’s the copts who require explicit theological instruction. By remaining silent, she seems to be signing off on Coptic Christianity.

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