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One of the priests in the Zeitoun Church made a simple comparison between Fatima and Zeitoun and said that the appearance of the Virgin in Zeitoun did not feature any speech, so that people would not believe it was specific to the Coptic Orthodox Church, but instead for all

https://youtu.be/QkVwz5zxTjo?si=mrUDySdzrjlcd2Ww (23:30)

Bearing in mind that some bishops of the Church have previously declared that the Virgin did not truly appear except in Egypt, indicating the correctness of our Church specifically. And when a book containing non-Orthodox apparitions, such as Fatima and Lourdes, was presented to the Patriarch of the Church, he objected that the book includes non-Orthodox miracles, and one cannot guarantee their authenticity

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I somehow only came across this article today, an interesting write-up. I don’t know if anyone else brought this up, but in 1970, after Nasser died, the Sadat Muslim-Coptic relations deteriorated pretty badly. In 1971-1972, there were 11 recorded sectarian incidents and in November of 1972, there was a burning of a Coptic religious facility and also several Coptic apartments. The 70s were quite rife with Islamist political influence and sectarian violence overall, with relations breaking down further between Sadat and Pope Shenouda III. The 80s might have been even worse. There was the Zawiya al-Hamara incident in 1981, Sadat detained more than 1,500 people and placed the Pope under house arrest until 1985. Once Mubarak took power, relations were somewhat better, but the Coptics still faced heavy discrimination as well as pushback on their church construction. So, to me, it’s rather unconvincing to claim that God’s motivation behind the apparitions was to unify the Coptics and Muslims when only 3-4 years after the first apparitions, there was substantial infighting again. Clearly these apparitions were not working if God had to perform a similar set of miracles three times just to temporarily ease Coptic and Muslim relations before they broke down again. Not one of these miracles was very effective.

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